Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Welcome to the Production Talk podcast with me, Yarn, of mixartists.com.au. In this podcast series, we celebrate the modern way of producing music. We want to talk about all things related to songwriting, recording at home and music production. So, if you produce your music at home, this is the place to be. Please subscribe and recommend this podcast to all your friends. This is the production talk podcast episode 38. Welcome back to another episode of the production talk podcast. I'm so thankful that you're on board again, it's fantastic to have you. Before we start this episode, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians of the land that the following conversation was recorded on, the Arakwal people of the Bundjalung nation, and I would like to pay my respects to elders past, present and emerging. Today is a special interview with one of my favourite acts for chill-out music. Whenever I'm in a really relaxed mood, I have a few different artists that I like to listen to. For example, when I drive or just when I want to kick back on the weekend. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: And one of the most played artists is DUBARRAY. So today, I'm very excited to have an interview with Mr. Brett Gadenne, who is the mastermind and producer of dub ]array from the sunshine coast. So without further ado, let's head straight over to the good stuff. Here is my interview with Brett of Dubarray. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Thank you so much for being with me today, Brett, you are the mastermind behind Dubarray. Can we maybe just get started with a bit about yourself, your background, and then can you introduce the band, please send all the other members. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. And no worries. Uh, yeah. My name is Brett, obviously a part of Dubarry, I'm the producer slash guitarist for Dubarray. And, uh, I work with my, my wife has, is the main singer and we both like the main songwriters of Dubarray, uh, her name's Kate. And, uh, then we're joined by a plethora of musicians. Um, depending on who's available, we've got an extensive range of family that are in Dubarray, but mainly it's, uh, Yeah, Damien Campbell on, on drums. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, uh, Ben Parsons on, uh, the Kushan and, uh, at the moment we're sort of just in between sex players, um, uh, old sex player was, we used to have Chelsea from SCADA, but, um, she moved down to, to bargain, um, Uh, but, uh, yeah. And then, uh, Kane, uh, was our sex player just recently, but, uh, he's, he's moved on as well. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Cause he's got a job opportunity elsewhere. And um, so we're sort of at the moment, um, in between sex plays, but Mr. Andy VA's been filling in for us, so yeah, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: great. And you're based at the sunshine coast? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yeah. Yep. Sunshine. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: So any sax players who are tuning in from that area reach out Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, as I said, this, this, this I've got plenty of them. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: good. So it was good. to have a pool of musicians. And, uh, how, how long has Dubarray been together as a band? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Uh, coming up to about 10 years now, actually I think 2012 was when we formed and, uh, it's taken. Many different forms in the last 10 years. Um, but yeah, we've been, we've been, we've been plugging for about 10 years now, so it's uh, yeah, we've got about, I think four albums under our belt and a bunch of singles and yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: a few weeks. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And lots of, lots of travelling and lots of touring. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Lots of touring. I love to hear that. And, uh, the albums, they all have a little bit of a different flavour to them. Can you just describe the, the double Ray sound to somebody who hasn't listened to your music yet? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. So Dubarray is, I guess we're live electronic electronica. Um, and we have, I guess what we would call like. Uh, in a theorial sound where it's, it's a it's it's like world electronic music. So it's, it's everything from house music to drama based to trip up to funk reggae. I'm very influenced by funk. And, um, but then we also have another side of Dubarray that's the, the chilled side, which we've written a whole album for. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Uh, yoga. So, uh, which we, we, we perform live music, yoga sets, and we also do like sound, sound immersions and all that sort of stuff as well. So it's, it's, it's, we've got a very eclectic flavor and, um, yeah, uh, the first, uh, the first album that we pumped out was a very cafe Del Mar and then we sort of, uh, we started gathering more band members and then the next two albums after that sort of picked up an energy, um, and became more of a. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Uh, drama, bison and the beach shows staff that's where motoring lots. And then, then we brought out the Seattle Priner album, which is, uh, the, um, influence site for, for yoga music. So, uh, yeah, we, we cover all the, all the spectrums. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. that's right. That's right. There's basically an album for every mood, high energy or relaxing moods. It's all there as lots of colors in your music. That's something I really enjoy. Um, and, and, and can you explain how a typical song would come together? You know, is there a songwriter, do you have assigned roles or is it all in a team effort? Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Well, how would a song come together? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, yeah, all the songs come together in sort of different ways. The main. Got to the songwriting is, is Kate and myself, um, sometimes comes from like a, a groove that I've written and then we've sort of put lyrics and everything at the top of it. And then sometimes it comes like organically, like just playing on the guitar and then sort of writing the song on the guitar or the piano and then putting it into the electronic form. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So, um, uh, and then w like when we collaborate with the band, especially dam Damien, um, sometimes he's. We might've had like a groove written and he's come to the party with like a totally different group that actually fits over what we're doing. So then he sort of written a real different flavour to some of the stuff, which is that's. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): We really enjoy that because that's like where it really takes like a really unique form Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Hm. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): when you get more songwriters involved. So, yeah, but mainly Katie and I are the guts of the songwriting. So. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: And, uh, how do you produce your songs? Do you go into a local studios or what's the procedure to get it, you know, from songwriting to release. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): um, a lot of it's done, uh, on Ableton, like in, in, in the studio. And then, um, we usually head into a studio and then we'll record the drums and all the live instrumentation and then take that back out and then mix it, mixing there'll be electronics with it. So we sort of get that, um, you know, that, that real live electronic of field, but still with the live instrumentation, then I guess. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): To mesh up, live instrumentations and electronics to get it done. Right. You've really got to put the time and the effort into making sure that the blend is right too, because it can either sound too loose or a concern too, too electronic, like, so, um, yeah, that's the, that's the balance, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: I see. so, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: it's blending the human groove and, and you know, the electronic precision Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yes. Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: two different worlds, and that's not easy to get them together and, and, you know, work in harmony. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Nice. Exactly. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: W what are your Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): a beautiful, beautiful challenge. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Okay. Well, what do you do if it's not locking in? What, what are your ways, when do you know it's ready? Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Or when do you know what's right. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, obviously you just like, you feel the groove. Um, but, um, yeah, I mean all the electronic stuff, like, uh, you know, with the, or the glitches and the different sort of sense and all that sort of stuff, like, I mean, it's. Plied live in that sense, but, um, it's about just when we, it's more with the drum groups and locking in the Johns and the, and the bass, just making sure that this, this super tight, uh, and that, that all comes down to a really good drama, which Damien is. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And, um, he's really good on click. Um, he's great. On click side plays all the, all the live shows are, uh, to click and, uh, um, yeah, we, there's no way. Play it without a drummer not being on clique. Cause it would be just way to lose. So, uh, but, uh, yeah. Yeah. So it comes down to that. Definitely our groove man, Mr. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Damian Campbell. So Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Nice one that takes a favorite of, you know, musicianship, not every drummer can play that tight. So respect. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): exactly, totally. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: uh, do you mix and master, Um, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: your songs yourself, or do you send it out to professional studios or what's the work from there? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Um, most of the stuff I'll mix myself and then I'll, um, I've tried a few different things. Like we've sometimes we've sent it away for, for mixing for other people, just depending on the song. And if I'm not sort of happy with where it's at, um, sometimes I'll get somebody else to sort of mix it. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Sometimes we're doing. Mix. And then sometimes I'm really happy with the mix set of posts and I'll just send it away for marketing. I never mastered my own hours, my own music. I just, I feel like there's people that have, uh, um, you know, they've got the special skills for that and, and, and obviously getting those frequencies to really shine. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So always send it off for mastering. But, um, yeah, the mixing process is, is just depending on the track. So that, that I'll always get it to a point where I'm happy with it or like semi happy with it. And then if it just needs to go that next level, then I might, I might send it off to someone, someone else. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So we've used some great producers in the past as well, um, that I'd like to collaborate with, but, uh, yeah, but majority is produced myself, so Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Wow. That's a fair bit of work that goes into all of this. So. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Thank you. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: And then of course the next big challenge is to, to reproduce all of that life, especially the blend between, you. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: know, electronic and acoustic instruments do use computers on stage or what's your method. How do you reproduce the sound? Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, we, we, we, uh, we run, we usually run everything off, uh, Ableton and, um, um, so, and then we send them. Uh, I'll send the samples out with a click to Damien's in his, so then he's got the, it's just super tight in his, in his, and um, and then we, uh, you know, as long as he's tight, we can usually, um, and then also Katie's usually got the. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Got the click in, in hers as well. Like every now and again, for some songs, if there's a lot of breakdowns or whatever, but usually the, since they've got some sort of a PGA ator in them that we can sort of keep in time, but as long as Daymond's on time where we're all good. So yeah, so we run it, we run an APC 40 and I'm just launching different clips. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, so I can sort of like have that live, feel of the samples as well. And, and I can manipulate the samples in a way that, um, You know, like I can sort of get Dubby on them and, you know, throw delays and verbs and filter them and all that sort of stuff. And yeah. Get a bit fun with it life. So it's not just like, press play and go. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: That's great. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: you do all of that while you also play guitar. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, well, like obviously some songs that, uh, it is just like all my set and forget, like as sometimes I launch them and then I'll have them just they're there. They are ready to go. Cause I'll have a lot of guitar parts, but then other songs, if I'm, if I'm just like sort of singing or rapping and, and then I've got my hands free, then I'll be doing a lot more on the, on the APC 40. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Cool. That sounds amazing. Um, I guess that took probably a while to it United stablish the routines and the skills and the knowledge of how to run the gear in, in real time on stage. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. Um, I Jan 'Yarn' Muths: I can imagine. Yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): you can always better yourself that the rabbit holes, so. You know, and I'll look at, uh, some, some of the other guys that are doing it. Um, um, a lot of my friends that are, uh, uh, um, and they're just pushing the limits. It's great. It's really good. And it really helps inspire you as well, so, yup. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Great. Whenever I see computers on stage, you know, there's always the risk of things going wrong. Computers can be very temperamental. Have you had any problems with that or, you know, do you have backups with you or how do you compensate? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, totally. Uh, I just made sure I got a really good computer and I make sure it's serviced quite often, which reminds me, I haven't serviced this one for a while, but, um, yeah. Always have always have backups as well. Um, we had a funny story of I've never really had like a computer glitch out on me. Well in the last 10 years have been very lucky. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): I must admit, but always spend the money on a decent computer with yeah. With decent, like solid, solid state hard drives and making sure the Rams like up there. And so it's, it's a good working computers, not just a cheapy cheap and nasty, but, um, um, just as I always have like a, usually another computer as a backup and a, and I'll have a hard drive as a backup. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, and then if all else comes down to it, um, I'll even have the, the stems on my, like on a phone app, if, if it ever got to have, and it's only ever got to that by now, it's only ever got to that once. Uh, when we were in where we were in Vienna and we had both laptops stolen out of the van, um, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Oh, no. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): and, uh, uh, man, it was an absolute nightmare. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And. And we had, we were like literally on our road, on the, on the road. And we had two more shows that are on the smallest shows. So I ended up using my phone app. I haven't stayed just to, just to get through these shows and then I had to buy another computer and then, and then sort of reload it all in from wherever and from the cloud. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And then, and then we'll sort of back up and running again, but still, it was just, yeah, it was, it was a nightmare. But, but that's the only time I've ever had to use that, that type of backup. So that's like last resort back up, so, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: great to hear that. You're so well-prepared but I can imagine that it would've been a very stressful time. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): oh, super stressful. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Mm terrible. Terrible. Okay. Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Well, but you know, look at you, you're obviously very prepared and you could compensate, you know, for other people that would have been a showstopper possibly, and, and you still had a show, so that's great. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, nice Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): exactly. It was, it wasn't the most spectacular show, but, but you just sort of, you know, where the table would be. I just had had my, had my phone on there and just pretended like the ABC was launch launch and everything on my phone. I didn't want people to see that, but anyway, it was, it was, uh, you know, we, we, we got through it, so Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Well, that's fantastic. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Thank you. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, when, when you, when you ride songs, you know, we're all human beings. We go through different phases, good days, bad days. Have you ever experienced, you know, creative roadblocks and have you got any tips or recommendations how to overcome these roadblocks when you're stuck somewhere in the creative flow? Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Is that something that you can share with. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): always getting creative, uh, books for sure. Um, especially sometimes when, like even writing songs, like, uh, I remember we had the inner sanctum of. Um, was an album that we was sort of put together, like on different various parts of the road. And some of those songs took like three, three years to come together. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Really like were like, oh, I re I've written a groove. And I was like, that grooves got something. I'm not too sure what it is, but it's just, just done. I where it's going yet. And then Kate would end up writing lyrics for it, like literally a year later or something like that. And then, uh, And then just, uh, we'd find the inspiration from somewhere to write what the actual feel of the song was that, that, and then we thought we'd had it down and we were ready to go record it. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And then Damien came with this like, fun groove that was just like, literally topped it off. And it was like, oh, that's, that's what we're we're looking for. Like, so yeah, like some songs take so, so long. And, um, I guess when it comes to creative, Um, attend to think, like having, like, not trying, not to push through it, but having a bit of a break, but then getting inspired, like find something to get inspired about. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Like whether you have to, um, sometimes like I'll, uh, I'll just I'll need to find like a new artist or something that's real, I'm really vibing on. Um, or. Even get a new, a piece, a piece of equipment that you're sort of like, all right, now I'm like ready to, to, to get creative again and get into that creative, creative bubble. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So, um, yeah, that's, that's usually when I get into a creative block, I need to sort of bring something in that inspires me or just have a total break. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. So I guess you've collected a little bit of gear over the years. Can you, can you give us an idea of, you know, what your studio or your home studio looks like? Mm. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Yes. So, um, I'm running a, uh, um, a road classic to, uh, my Mike, um, is my main sort of like vocal mic. And then we do sax. Uh, we mainly bought that for the vocal, the vocal mark, and then, um, 1176 compressor or run that through as well into, uh, um, the RMA, um, just got the baby face, um, less cause pretty much all the stuff at home. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Uh, don't really need too much. Uh, and I just, I love the converters on the RMA. It's they're just, they're great. And, um, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: next level. They're really good. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Yeah, it's really so, so yeah. And then, and then anything else, like when we usually go into the studio when we're doing drums or, um, or do some guitars at home as well, but, um, um, and then gay, when we get into the studio, um, everything's pretty much, it's pretty similar to the studio. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): We work out of. It's called the vault in Quanta and it's, it's pretty much the same gear, really like, um, uh, but they've got, uh, IPO. Preamps that they're running through into the 1176 and, um, and similar marks, mainly AKG four, one fours Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, they're Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): sort of stuff. So, um, yeah, but then the room sounds really great there too. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And then, and then, but he's running, he's running logic there, so we're sort of bouncing back and forth between logic enabled him. Um, which makes it interesting, but, but, uh, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: So it was a bit of a pain there to move files between DWS what's your method. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Uh, usually when we'd record drums, we just record everything in logic and now we just bounce the webs and then I ended up taking it back into Ableton and then. And then putting the, um, uh, all the, who sort of run some of the triggers in low logic and then get the main jumps down the big drum sound that we want, and then we take it out, but then I might end up, so when I get it enabled to know I'm running it with electronics, depending on what's going to fit the track, I might put in a different trigger just to, just to give it, you know, a certain different feel or a certain different groups. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So, um, Yeah, but then yeah, always bounce it back into Ableton, mix. It enabled him and then, and then we send it off for mastering. So we did, we did do one of the albums. We actually did it the other way around where you bounced all the stems from Ableton, and then we mixed it in logic. Um, and then send it off. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): But, um, I wasn't as happy as some of the checks come up really good, but because I've given it to, um, my engineer that I was working with and. Well, I took off overseas and we're sort of bouncing back and forth and he was mixing now. And while I was on the road and I was trying to listen to the yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Trying to listen to the songs, like he'd do a bounce. And I was listening to the song for her on tour and like in different stereos in the cars and wherever we were, it was a bit of a nightmare actually. But, uh, it was a good, it was a good learning to, so that was the, um, yeah. Um, whichever one was. Visions collide. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): That's right. And yeah, we did that and some of those songs came up really, really good, but, uh, uh, I wasn't really happy with the mix of the out the whole album overall, um, where the inner sanctum album, I was really sort of happy with the mix cause we got it. Uh, we did everything that we bounced, all bounced, all the live instrumentation out of logic and then mixed in Ableton. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): And then, and then, uh, sent a lot of stuff off. I think we did stems mixes on those with, uh, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Okay. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So he basically did a stems, the stems master on probably about six of the tracks in that, on that album. So Jan 'Yarn' Muths: And sorry to interrupt on this, but the word stem is a very loosely defined these days. So some people use stems when they mean individual signals and the traditional definition of stems is usually in our subgroups. Now groups of signals blended together. So there will be no, the, all the drum signals or the guitar signals or so which stem are you referring to here? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So obviously, uh, being a stems master, it's all the groups. So it's like basically group yeah. Group stem, like group drums group since group vocals, or usually the vocal is actually separated. Um, and then, and, but yet, but everything else grouped, so yeah. And then you can even get a, uh, like a stems mixed downward. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Literally the instrumentations or one stem and then just the vocals over the top as well, like sissy and them separate, um, which I've had to do a couple of times. Cause Katie's, uh, she's got a very like, uh, when we recorded on previous one was sort of getting the right mic. Um, we'll get to have her syllabus is very se and even that S the DSN compressor was sort of like, Yeah, we just couldn't get it. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: struggling. Yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yeah, so we sent, sent send it off, but obviously we've overcome that now with a bit more knowledge on what we're doing. So, um, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: dying to find out how you did that. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: How did you overcome that? Because, you know, I find, you know, siblings is one of the hardest things to fight when the siblings was recorded too strong or too loud, the essence that's. So you fixed it sort of in the recording stage. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, it's all in the recording. Like, um, the micro we're using, um, we found that like a, uh, AKG 404 and her vocal wasn't as good, um, yet on EKG four and four on my vocal sounds great. Um, but the, the, the new, the classic too, that we've got now is, is. Um, yeah, it's great. It just, it, it suits her vocal range really well and, and sort of takes out that celibacy as well. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Cory Booker microphones are a little bit like a pair of shoes. Aren't they, they don't always fit. Great. And you know, in, in my opinion, it's the very best way to deal with civil and slushy switch microphones until you find a better balance before hitting record, fixing it afterwards can be a real pain. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, don't Polish the turd. Just get, get, get a good on the way in. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: that's right. That's right. Hmm. Excellent. And, uh, what, what preempt to use for, for that microphone? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, so obviously, um, in the studio we're using the API APIs. Um, but, um, and, um, but with the, with the stuff we do at home, I, uh, I pretty much just use the priests that are in the, in the baby face, really like. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Okay. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, I don't really use a preamp I'm going in. I just find that I've got an Oscar presser on it and it just Jan 'Yarn' Muths: So you do you go from the microphone through the compressor? Under the preamp. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Okay, cool. And, um, that's uh, is that a valve microphone? The, the road classic. It is, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: no. Interestingly, it's, it's a little bit back to front to have the compressor before the, uh, the preempt, but that's what the S uh, the scorpions do as well. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: I'm not sure if you remember this old eighties rock band or nineties rock band, but, uh, I once got to speak to their engineer, and that was their trick as well not to put a valve microphone through an 1176, same compressor, and then actually, Uh, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: through the mixer, that was their trick for, for vocal recording. yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: If it works, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): There you go. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. Well, in the studio, in the studio, we run it into like, it goes into the API and then into the, it goes the other way around. But, um, but at home, or do you find that this is working, so I've just been running with it? So, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: I love it. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): and been getting good, good times on both vocals and sacks as well. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, nice. And you know, the 1176 compressor is also, you know, available. Several dozen different plugins. So chances are, you know, pretty much everybody might have, you know, an 1176 emulation on their computer these days. What's the advantage of doing it on the way in, in, in your opinion. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, ah, just, I guess it's just that analog sort of feel really, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Um, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): um, I just find it, it, um, you know, it just moves things off, like any sort of harshness, like, uh, acting like obviously what the person does, but then obviously it's you compression that's afterwards as well in the box is, is, um, extremely important. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: nice. I've tried it myself many times, literally, you know, AB comparisons and, uh, I find there's a certain magic about putting a microphone through a compressor before you recorded that. I just can quite reproduce. Uh, with plugins and it's hard to really describe, but there's a certain quality in tone. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: So I really enjoy, uh, tracking my, my microphones through processes. Uh, whenever I attract, I have pretty much everything on, on the way in and, um, Yeah. Yeah. It's not, not for Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): I it's it's Jan 'Yarn' Muths: yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): it's, it's funny. The different like this, uh, you can't beat hardware really a at the end of the day, you can't, there's just some, there's some sort of magic sparkle that comes out of it. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: something about it. yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): yeah. Not quite what you would get with here in the box. Um, but yeah, like you said, like there's so many amazing plugins these days. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, um, so any of the used stuff like, um, so the UI stuff, I should say, um, uh, it's, it's all just dance or for great these days. What's what they're producing in the box, especially with the DJ DJ stuff and electronic stuff. It's uh it's. Yeah, it's Jan 'Yarn' Muths: It's a good time to be a music producer. That technology is no longer a limit for us. We have an abundance of fantastic toys to play with. It's a really good time. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): all in a laptop to eight and literally do it on the road. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah, that's right. Say, and when you, when you mix your, your own music in, how, how do you make sure that It's sounds good everywhere. I often find that, you know, when you take a mix to the car or to other playback systems, one might be up to a surprise. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Have you got any tricks to it to get it right? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, I just, I, it on a lot of different spaces. Um, and, um, yeah, yeah, just a being a lot of different spaces. Yeah. Uh, especially like the small crappy can I, can I swear on this? Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yes, go for it. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say the small shitty speakers as well, but then like, I've even like, I'll even come into the, this, my little yoga room here and I've got a decent pair of, so when Vegas subs and some QSC, um, K K to one, uh, uh, middle K twos that I pump it through and, and to see what it actually sounds like with some kicking bottom end, you know? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So, um, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Oh, That's really good. So you've got access to a PA system. That's that's really good. yeah, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): that's been coming in a lot handy. I've only just had access to this lately, but, um, yes, but I've got another project called raw audio and that I've been doing a lot of that. Like a lot of that sort of simulation because it's pretty much just DJ stuff. So I've been coming in here and just having, giving a trial on the system and, or like just literally popping it in a set. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Deejaying and that sort of stuff. And just seeing where the mix is sitting and it seems to be whatever I'm doing, it's still in fondant. Right. So it's good. I'm actually finding that some of the produce stuff of audios now sound bigger than double rays. So I'm like, all right, I've got to something that I've done here. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): I've got to reverse engineer and take it back in a tougher race. So yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Oh, that's Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: And, um, how live shows going for you on a live show is picking up again at the sunshine coast. Or is that still a bit affected by COVID-19? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, no, I love shows where they dip a bit on the sunny coast, but, um, they've been okay. Like Dubarray hasn't been doing very much in the last year because of the, um, just, it's just been really hard with the sort of, uh, uh, ticketed events. Um, we've been jumping on here and there, but we were slowly getting out, um, back out again and starting to place the church. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Plus we just. Spending a lot of time in the studio we've been working on this second yoga album and all that sort of stuff. And then my, and then the other project that I've got going a rodeo, it's just been absolutely just going gangbusters at the moment. So it's been taking a lot of time, but, um, Dubarray is about to, I think we're coming down to a bar. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): We'll be coming down into Northern rivers. I don't know the rivers, but, um, And you've got shake shack and a couple of weeks and, uh, back down, back down and bronze, um, in the coming weeks as well. Um, and then we've just picked, we're just playing another big show on the sunny coast with Tijuana cartel at night quarters. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So we've got a Jan 'Yarn' Muths: I love these Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): good, really good. Yeah. Got a couple of really good shows coming. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Hm. Okay. So that's where you go to see Sue. You actually have quite a few gigs booked already and you know, there's gigs coming, coming in again. That's that's excellent. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, it's been really good. Obviously it's been Tufts for, especially on your way, like with everything going on. If it wasn't COVID it was flooded and it's just, it's been crazy. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: always something. Yeah, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, I think April 23rd, we're down at the shake shack. We love that little venue. It's great. It's like one of those venues where it's, it's intimate. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, it's always a vibe and it's always just rigid. We just love it. And then we usually go from there to the bronze, which is funny. It's like chalk and cheese really. It's like a intimate, 150 crowd to then, you know, like six or 700 or whatever you get at the bronze star. It's like, um, but, uh, yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Great. That's really good. Say if listeners would like to find out more about Dubarray, have you got a website or a social channels? Where would somebody find, find out more about Dublin? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, so you can check us out at dubarray.com. Or as they say in Europe, your Uber way. Um, yeah. Uh, otherwise, you know, just dubarray on Facebook or Dubarray on Instagram, same deal. YouTube DubarrayTV, we're all on the socials. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Would you mind if I added all those links into the show notes? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Oh, please do Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Cool, fantastic. And, um, do you publish your, your touring dates on your social channels or your website? What's the place to find a live show? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Usually usually on our website. And, uh, and do you see him come up in our, in our socials and that sort of stuff too? So, yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Excellent could look. I put all of this into the show notes, and then look, I'm going to check my schedule and if I can, I'll see you at the Bronx. That will be fantastic. I'll buy you a beer. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Awesome. Yeah. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: It would be great. It would be really good. Okay. Excellent. Who are you. playing with? Say an opening Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): we're going to have maybe Andy V as the opening act on that one. Cause he'll probably be jumping up with us, but, um, yeah. Yeah. So it's, and that'd be a vibe he's I don't know if Andy was playing with double effects for many, many years, and now I sort of moved over here. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, to sort of create a life in the sunny coast and he's in my other, my other actor audio too. So, um, yeah, it's um, he's a, he, he sort of brings a vibe of like, like live drama bass and dub reggae, which is really cool. So Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Fantastic. That sounds really exciting. So, I definitely want to check that out maybe as we approach, you know, at the end of it, I know your time is precious. You don't have to answer this question. If you don't want to, we can cut this out. But, uh, you mentioned earlier that you've got a, they've got that. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: You've got a family. How do you manage being a dad and touring and all of this? I can't imagine that it will be challenging at times. Is this something you're happy to talk about? Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Well, so Kate, Katie, and I obviously they married, um, it touring was quite easy, you know, like we were just like, um, but then when the little one came along, she came along right before. COVID funny enough. And, uh, we did, uh, uh, I was still on this, like still got a tour and still got to play shows and all this sort of stuff. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Well, we booked in a couple of tours. We booked in three tours when, so Bubs was like on the road with us when she was five months, I think she was on the road with us. And, uh, yeah. And it was that, I think that was the catalyst for Kate just to go. This is too much. So that's why we, uh, we, we did that and then we did a couple others shows and went down to Melbourne and then, and then COVID hit. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So it was like, it was actually a bit of a blessing for us in that sense, because. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, yeah, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Have you been, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): we just, didn't know how, yeah. We just didn't know how to, I don't know how to rest, that's why I reinvented this other app called raw audio. So, but, um, but yeah, so it was really good COVID heat. And then we got a chance to have a break and just, just concentrate on some new songs and that sort of stuff. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So, but now, now she's, well, she's not Bubs anymore. She's just a little toddler now, so we can easily take her on the road and move through. We've got support with Kate's Kate's mom and my mum, usually sometimes they'll either come with us, uh, on the shows and, and or someone, I don't know, we might, we work it out somehow we make it work. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Um, I think one of the Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Isn't it. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): uh, we, we Jan 'Yarn' Muths: make it up as you go. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): that's it. Yeah. We, we flew up to Wallaby Creek festival in Cannes, and we just took Bubs with us and, and funny, our, um, our midwife happened to move. So we just gave her a ticket and, you know, and just basically she just came and looked after when, when the story was, was, was still a baby pretty much while we played our shows at Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Oh, that's So Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): was coming the festival. Isn't it. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Nice, nice, fantastic. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): You make it, you make it work. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's the way to do it. And it's great to see kids growing up, you know, even young kids being exposed to live music and venues and touring life. That's fantastic. I think that's good. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): there's no better way for a day. And they get to experience a life that other people don't really get a chance to see. So, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: that's right. That's right. I mean, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Well, we get to give you an idea, like, uh, we had a contract in, um, that's, uh, Little girl's name is with starry because we, um, we had a contract in, um, on Heron island. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): So she'd come to Heron island, maybe like, uh, 10 or 11 times before she turned one. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Oh, Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): um, many people barely go to this island in their whole life, you know, Jan 'Yarn' Muths: mm Hmm. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): uh, because she was in, she was named after the reef that surrounds it. So there was, it's a pretty special place for us and Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Cool. Well, that sounds great. All right, Brett, I'm aware that, you know, your time's pretty much up, so we get to finish this episode now. So thank you so much for finding the time to speak to me today. And I'm really excited to hopefully see you live soon and Ora here. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): Yeah, thank you very much for having me on the, on Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Yeah, you're most welcome. And please keep me posted, you know, any future releases I want to know all about. Brett Gadenne (Dubarray): well, there. Jan 'Yarn' Muths: Thank you. Wow. How good was that? Brett, thank you so much for sharing all this amazing stuff with us. And I'm just, you know, absolutely amazed by how much insight you gave us into the inner workings and the creative processes of your band to dumper AME. Please head over to the show notes for DAPA race, online presence and, social channels. 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